This interview with Michael Hudson makes
clear that the loan to Ukraine is wildly out
of line with IMF rules, making it painfully
obvious that this “rescue” is all about
propping up the government so it can
continue to wage war rather than economic
development.
SHARMINI PERIES, EXEC.
PRODUCER, TRNN: Welcome to the Michael
Hudson report on The Real News Network. I’m
Sharmini Peries, coming to you from
Baltimore.
A ceasefire in Eastern
Ukraine has been agreed to, following a
marathon all-night, 17-hour negotiation
between Russian President Vladimir Putin and
Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko. They
were flanked byother European leaders
keeping vigil. Russia and Ukraine may have
many differences, but what they have in
common is a looming economic crisis, with
oil prices taking a dive on the Russian side
and a very expensive war they were not
counting on on the Ukrainian side.
Joining us now to talk
about all of this is Michael Hudson. He is a
distinguished research professor of
economics at the University of
Missouri-Kansas City. His upcoming book is
titled Killing the Host: How Financial
Parasites and Debt Bondage Destroyed the
Global Economy.
Michael, thank you, as
always, for joining us.
MICHAEL HUDSON, ECONOMICS
PROF., UNIV. OF MISSOURI, KANSAS CITY: Good
to be here.
PERIES: So, Michael, in a
recent interview published in The National
Interest magazine, you said that most media
covers Russia as if it is the greatest
threat to Ukraine. History suggests the IMF
may be far moredangerous. What did you mean
by that?
HUDSON: First of all, the
terms on which the IMF make loans require
more austerity and a withdrawal of all the
public subsidies. The Ukrainian population
already is economically devastated. The
conditions that the IMF’s program is laying
down for making loans to Ukraine is that it
must repay the debts. But it doesn’t have
the ability to pay. So there’s only one way
to do it, and that’s the way that the IMF
has told Greece and other countries to do:
It has to begin selling off whatever the
nation has left of its public domain; or, to
have your leading oligarchs take on
partnerships with American or European
investors, so that they can buy out into the
monopolies in the Ukraine and indulge in
rent-extraction.
This is the IMF’s one-two
punch. Punch number one is: here’s the loan
– to pay your bondholders, so that you now
owe us, the IMF, to whom you can’t write
down debts. The terms of this loan is to
believe our Guiding Fiction: that you can
pay foreign debt by running a domestic
budgetary surplus, by cutting back public
spending and causing an even deeper
depression.
This idea that foreign
debts can be paid by squeezing out domestic
tax revenues was controverted by Keynes in
the 1920s in his discussion of German
reparations. (I devote a chapter to
reviewing the controversy in my Trade,
Development and Foreign Debt.) There is no
excuse for making this error – except that
the error is deliberate, and is intended to
lead to failure, so that the IMF can then
say that to everyone’s surprise and nobody’s
blame, their “stabilization program”
destabilized rather than stabilized the
economy.
The penalty for following
this junk economics must be paid by the
victim, not by the victimizer. This is part
of the IMF’s “blame the victim” strategy.
The IMF then throws its
Number Two punch. It says, “Oh, you can’t
pay us? I’m sorry that our projections were
so wrong. But you’ve got to find some way to
pay – by forfeiting whatever assets your
economy may still have in domestic hands.
The IMF has been wrong on
Ukraine year after year, almost as much as
it’s been wrong on Ireland and on Greece.
Its prescriptions are the same as those that
devastated Third World economies from the
1970s onward.
So now the problem becomes
one of just what Ukraine is going to have to
sell off to pay the foreign debts – run up
increasingly for waging the war that’s
devastated its economy.
One asset that foreign
investors want is Ukrainian farmland.
Monsanto has been buying into Ukraine – or
rather, leasing its land, because Ukraine
has a law against alienating its farmland
and agricultural land to foreigners. And a
matter of fact, its law is very much the
same as what the Financial Times reports
Australia is wanting to do to block Chinese
and American purchase of farmland.[1]
The IMF also insists that
debtor countries dismantle public
regulations againstforeign investment, as
well as consumer protection and
environmental protection regulations. This
means that what is in store for Ukraine is a
neoliberal policy that’s guaranteed to
actually make the situation even worse.
In that sense, finance is
war. Finance is the new kind of warfare,
using finance and forced sell-offs in a new
kind of battlefield. This will not help
Ukraine. It promises to lead to yet another
crisis down the road very, very quickly.
PERIES: Michael, let’s
unpack the debt in this crisis. The war has
led Ukraine into a deeper crisis. Talk about
the devastation that has caused and what
they have to manage in addition to what the
IMF is trying to impose on it.
HUDSON: When Kiev went to
war against Eastern Ukraine, it fought
primarily the coal mining region and
theexport region. Thirty-eight percent of
Ukraine’s exports are to Russia. Yet much of
this export capacity has been bombed out of
existence. Also, the electric companies that
fuel the electricity to the coal mines been
bombed out. So Ukraine can’t even supply
itself with coal.
What is so striking about
all this is that just a few weeks ago, on
January 28, Christine Lagarde, the head of
the IMF, said that the IMF does not make
loans to countries that are engaged in war.
That would befunding one side or another.
Yet Ukraine is involved in a civil war. The
great question is thus when the IMF will
even begin to release the loan it has been
discussing.
Also, the IMF articles of
agreement say that it cannot make loans to
an insolvent country. So how on earth can it
be part of a loan bailout for the Ukraine
if, number one, it’s at war (which has to
stop totally), and number two, it’s
insolvent?
The only solution is that
Ukraine will scale back its debts to private
investors. And that means a lot of
contrarian hedge funds investors. The
Financial Times today has an article showing
that one American investor alone, Michael
Hasenstab, has $7 billion of Ukraine debts
and wants to speculate in it, along with
Templeton Global Bond Fund.[2] How is
Ukraine going to treat the speculators? And
then, finally, how is the IMF going to treat
the fact that Russia’s sovereign fund lent 3
billion euros to the Ukraine on harsh terms
through the London agreement terms that
can’t be written down? Is the IMF going to
insist that Russia take the same haircut
that it’s imposing on the hedge funds? All
of this is going to be the kind of conflict
that’s going to take much more effort than
even the solutions that we’ve seen over the
last few days have taken on the military
battlefront.
PERIES: And so how could
Ukraine imagine getting out of this crisis?
HUDSON: It probably
imagines a dream world in which it’ll get
out of the crisis by the West giving it $50
billion and saying, here’s all the money you
need, spend it as you want. That’s the
extent of its imagination. It is fantasy, of
course. It’s living in a dream world –
except that a few weeks ago, George Soros
came out in The New York Review of Books and
urged Congress and “the West” to give
Ukraine $50 billion and look at it as a down
payment on military or with Russia. Well,
immediately Kiev said, yes, we will only
spend them on defensive arms. We will defend
Ukraine all the way up toSiberia as we wipe
out the Russians.
Bit today a Financial
Times editorial said, yes, give Ukraine the
$50 billion that George Soros asked for.[3]
We’ve got to enable it to have enough money
to fight America’s New Cold War against
Russia. But the continental Europeans are
saying, “Wait a minute. At the end of this,
there’ll be no more Ukrainians to fight. The
war might even spread into Poland and into
elsewhere, because if the money that’s given
to Ukraine is really for what the Obama
administration and Hillary and Soros are all
pressing for – to go to war with Russia –
then Russia’s going to say, ‘Okay, if we’re
being attacked by foreign troops, we’re
going to have to not only bomb the troops,
but the airports they are coming in through,
and the railway stations they’re coming in
through. We’re going to extend our own
defense towards Europe.’”
Apparently there are
reports that Putin told Europe, look, you
have two choices before you. Choice one:
Europe, Germany and Russia can be a very
prosperous area. With Russia’s raw materials
and European technology, we can be one of
the most prosperous areas in the world. Or,
Choice two: You can go to war with us and
you can be wiped out. Take your choice.
PERIES: Michael, complex
and interesting times in Ukraine, as well as
at the IMF. Thank you so much for joining
us.
HUDSON: It’s good to be
here, Sharmini.
PERIES: And thank you for
joining us on The Real News Network.
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