Bond holders, banks, and IMF bear responsibility
for having made irresponsible loans to Greece,
so it is not right for them to force yet more
austerity on Greece, says Michael Hudson.
By Michael Hudson
May 10,
2017 "Information
Clearing House"
- Sharmini Peries: It’s the Real News Network. I
am Sharmini Peries coming to you from Baltimore.
The European Commission announced on May 2, that
an agreement on Greek pension and income tax
reforms would pave the way for further
discussions on debt release for Greece. The
European Commission described this as good news
for Greece. The Greek government described the
situation in similar terms. However, little
attention has been given as to how the wider
Greek population are experiencing the
consequences of the policies of the Troika. On
May Day thousands of Greeks marked International
Workers Day with anti-austerity protests. One of
the protester’s a 32-year-old lawyer perhaps
summed the mood, the best when he said …
Speaker
2: “The current Greek government, like all the
ones before it, have implemented measures that
has only one goal, the crushing of the workers,
the working class and everyone who works
themselves to the bone. We are fighting for the
survival of the poorest who need help the most.”
Sharmini Peries: To discuss the most recent
negotiations underway between Greece and the
TROIKA, which is a European Central Bank, the EU
and the IMF, here’s Michael Hudson. Michael is a
distinguished research professor of Economics at
the University of Missouri, Kansas City. He is
the author of many books including, “Killing the
Host: How Financial Parasites and Debt Bondage
the Global Economy” and most recently “J is for
Junk Economics: A Survivor’s Guide to Economic
Vocabulary in the Age of Deception”. Michael
it’s been a while, good to have you back.
Michael
Hudson: Good to be here.
Sharmini Peries: Michael, let’s start with
what’s being negotiated at the moment.
Michael
Hudson: I wouldn’t call it a negotiation. Greece
is simply being dictated to. There is no
negotiation at all. It’s been told that its
economy has shrunk so far by 20%, but has to
shrink another 5% making it even worse than the
depression. Its wages have fallen and must be
cut by another 10%. Its pensions have to be cut
back. Probably 5 to 10% of its population of
working age will have to immigrate.
The
intention is to cut the domestic tax revenues
(not raise them), because labor won’t be paying
taxes and businesses are going out of business.
So we have to assume that the deliberate
intention is to lower the government’s revenues
by so much that Greece will have to sell off
even more of its public domain to foreign
creditors. Basically it’s a smash and grab
exercise, and the role of Tsipras is not to
represent the Greeks because the Troika have
said, “The election doesn’t matter. It doesn’t
matter what the people vote for. Either you do
what we say or we will smash your banking
system.” Tsipras’s job is to say, “Yes I will do
whatever you want. I want to stay in power
rather than falling in election.”
Sharmini Peries: Right. Michael you dedicated
almost three chapters in your book “Killing the
Host” to how the IMF economists actually knew
that Greece will not be able to pay back its
foreign debt, but yet it went ahead and made
these huge loans to Greece. It’s starting to
sound like the mortgage fraud scandal where
banks were lending people money to buy houses
when they knew they couldn’t pay it back. Is it
similar?
Michael
Hudson: The basic principle is indeed the same.
If a creditor makes a loan to a country or a
home buyer knowing that there’s no way in which
the person can pay, who should bear the
responsibility for this? Should the bad lender
or irresponsible bondholder have to pay, or
should the Greek people have to pay?
IMF
economists said that Greece can’t pay, and under
the IMF rules it is not allowed to make loans to
countries that have no chance of repaying in the
foreseeable future. The then-head of the IMF,
Dominique Strauss-Kahn, introduced a new rule –
the “systemic problem” rule. It said that if
Greece doesn’t repay, this will cause problems
for the economic system – defined as the
international bankers, bondholder’s and European
Union budget – then the IMF can make the loan.
This
poses a question on international law. If the
problem is systemic, not Greek, and if it’s the
system that’s being rescued, why should Greek
workers have to dismantle their economy? Why
should Greece, a sovereign nation, have to
dismantle its economy in order to rescue a
banking system that is guaranteed to continue to
cause more and more austerity, guaranteed to
turn the Eurozone into a dead zone? Why should
Greece be blamed for the bad malstructured
European rules? That’s the moral principle
that’s at stake in all this.
Sharmini Peries: Michael, The New York Times has
recently published an article titled, “IMF torn
over whether to bail out Greece again.” It
essentially describes the IMF as being
sympathetic towards Greece in spite of the fact
as you say, they knew that Greece could not pay
back this money when it first lent it the money
with the Troika. Right now, the IMF sounds
rational and thoughtful about the Greek people.
Is this the case?
Michael
Hudson: Well, Yanis Varoufakis, the finance
minister under Syriza, said that every time he
talked to the IMF’s Christine Lagarde and others
two years ago, they were sympathetic. They said,
“I am terribly sorry we have to destroy your
economy. I feel your pain, but we are indeed
going to destroy your economy. There is nothing
we can do about it. We are only following
orders.” The orders were coming from Wall
Street, from the Eurozone and from investors who
bought or guaranteed Greek bonds.
Being
sympathetic, feeling their pain doesn’t really
mean anything if the IMF says, “Oh, we know it
is a disaster. We are going to screw you anyway,
because that’s our job. We are the IMF, after
all. Our job is to impose austerity. Our job is
to shrink economies, not help them grow. Our
constituency is the bondholders and banks.”
Somebody’s going to suffer. Should it the
wealthy billionaires and the bankers, or should
it be the Greek workers? Well, the Greek workers
are not the IMF’s constituency. It says: “We
feel your pain, but we’d rather you suffer than
our constituency.”
So what
you read is simply the usual New York Times
hypocrisy, pretending that the IMF really is
feeling bad about what it’s doing. If its
economists felt bad, they would have done what
the IMF European staff did a few years ago after
the first loan: They resigned in protest. They
would write about it and go public and say,
“This system is corrupt. The IMF is working for
the bankers against the interest of its member
countries.” If they don’t do that, they are not
really sympathetic at all. They are just
hypocritical.
Sharmini Peries: Right. I know that the European
Commission is holding up Greece as an example in
order to discourage other member nations in the
periphery of Europe so that they won’t default
on their loans. Explain to me why Greece is
being held up as an example.
Michael
Hudson: It’s being made an example for the same
reason the United States went into Libya and
bombed Syria: It’s to show that we can destroy
you if you don’t do what we say. If Spain or
Italy or Portugal seeks not to pay its debts, it
will meet the same fate. Its banking system will
be destroyed, and its currency system will be
destroyed.
The
basic principle at work is that finance is the
new form of warfare. You can now destroy a
country’s economy not merely by invading it. You
don’t even have to bomb it, as you’ve done in
the Near East. All you have to do is withdraw
all credit to the banking system, isolate it
economically from making payments to foreign
countries so that you essentially put sanctions
on it. You’ll treat Greece like they’ve treated
Iran or other countries.
“We
have life and death power over you.” The
demonstration effect is not only to stop Greece,
but to stop countries from doing what Marine Le
Pen is trying to do in France: withdraw from the
Eurozone.
The
class war is back in business – the class war of
finance against labor, imposing austerity and
shrinking living standards, lowering wages and
cutting back social spending. It’s demonstrating
who’s the winner in this economic warfare that’s
taking place.
Sharmini Peries: Then why is the Greek
population still supportive of Syriza in spite
of all of this? I mean, literally not only have
they, as a population, been cut to no social
safety net, no social security, yet the Syriza
government keeps getting supported, elected in
referendums, and they seem to be able to
maintain power in spite of these austerity
measures. Why is that happening?
Michael
Hudson: Well, that’s the great tragedy. They
initially supported Syriza because it promised
not to surrender in this economic war. They said
they would fight back. The plan was not pay the
debts even if this led Europe to force Greece
out of the European Union.
In
order to do this however, what Yanis Varoufakis
and his advisors such as James Galbraith wanted
to do was say, “If we are going not to pay the
debt, we are going to be expelled from the Euro
Zone. We have to have our own currency. We have
to have our own banking system.” But it takes
almost a year to put in place your own physical
currency, your own means of reprogramming the
ATM machines so that people can use it, and
reprogramming the banking system.
You
also need a contingency plan for when the
European Union wrecks the Greek banks, which
basically have been the tool of the oligarchy in
Greece. The government is going to have to take
over these banks and socialize them, and use
them for public purposes. Unfortunately, Tsipras
never gave Varoufakis and his staff the go
ahead. In effect, he ended up double crossing
them after the referendum two years ago that
said not to surrender. That lead to Varoufakis
resigning from the government.
Tsipras
decided that he wanted to be reelected, and
turned out to be just a politician, realizing
that in order to he had to represent the invader
and act as a client politician. His clientele is
now the European Union, the IMF and the
bondholders, not the Greeks. What that means is
that if there is an election in Greece, people
are not going to vote for him again. He knows
that. He is trying to prevent an election. But
later this month the Greek parliament is going
to have to vote on whether or not to shrink the
economy further and cut pensions even more.
If
there are defections from Tsipras’s Syriza
party, there will be an election and he will be
voted out of office. I won’t say out of power,
because he has no power except to surrender to
the Troika. But he’d be out of office. There
will probably have to be a new party created if
there’s going to be hope of withstanding the
threats that the European Union is making to
destroy Greece’s economy if it doesn’t succumb
to the austerity program and step up its
privatization and sell off even more assets to
the bondholders.
Sharmini Peries: Finally, Michael, why did the
Greek government remove the option of Grexit
from the table in order to move forward?
Michael
Hudson: In order to accept the Eurozone. You’re
using its currency, but Greece needs to have its
own currency. The reason it agreed to stay in
was that it had made no preparation for
withdrawing. Imagine if you are a state in the
United States and you want to withdraw: you have
to have your own currency. You have to have your
own banking system. You have to have your own
constitution. There was no attempt to put real
thought behind what their political program was.
They
were not prepared and still have not taken steps
to prepare for what they are doing. They haven’t
made any attempt to justify non-payment of the
debt under International Law: the law of odious
debt, or give a reason why they are not paying.
The
Greek government has not said that no country
should be obliged to disregard its democratic
voting, dismantle its public sector and give up
its sovereignty to bondholders. No country
should be obliged to pay foreign creditors if
the price of that is shrinking and self
destruction of that economy.
They
haven’t translated this political program of not
paying into what this means in practice to cede
sovereignty to the Brussels bureaucracy, meaning
the European Central Bank on behalf of its
bondholders.
Sharmini Peries: All right Michael, we will keep
an eye on this. It looks like it’s going to get
more heated in Greece. At least the people and
the movements are planning to protest this new
deal. I thank you so much for joining us and I
hope you can join us again. I understand you are
on your way to Greece in a few weeks and we’ll
be expecting a report back from you about what
you find there. Thank You.
Michael
Hudson: Thanks for having me on.
Sharmini Peries: Thank you for joining us here
on the Real News Network.
“In
international law, odious debt, also known
as illegitimate debt, is a legal doctrine
that holds that the national debt incurred
by a regime for purposes that do not serve
the best interests of the nation, should not
be enforceable.”
Michael Hudson is
President of The Institute for the Study of
Long-Term Economic Trends (ISLET), a Wall Street
Financial Analyst, Distinguished Research
Professor of Economics at the University of
Missouri, Kansas City and author of
J is Junk Economics
(2017),
Killing the Host (2015), The
Bubble and Beyond
(2012)
http://michael-hudson.com
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